The Work Different, Live Different Podcast - Episode 6
Jeff - I'm excited for this. This is our first ever, I think, right? Oh, we haven't done an episode like this together?
Lacey - I don't think ever in the history of podcasting. Have we? Well, here we go, buddy episode. Let's go.
Jeff - I love it. Yeah. I mean, we've been friends for a long time framing within the podcast. You and Laura…
Lacey - Yeah.
Jeff - …recorded the first episode in the living room of our like shitty old apartment on, College Street or wherever that was.
Lacey - Oh yeah. That's so fun. I don't even know when that was, but…
Jeff - 2017, late 2017, maybe early 2018.
Lacey - Holy shit, man.
Jeff - Yeah.
Lacey - Time has flown. Yeah, we were like in such a funny little season there because we were roommates.
Jeff - Yes, we were.
Lacey - We were like, we met each other and then we became friends with this group of people, but then very quickly we were both in a situation of like, hey, I need a roommate. And you were like, hey, yeah, that works for me. Like let's do this. And it became like the funniest little…
Jeff - Little duo. I mean, yeah, that was, January, 2017, I think. I moved in with you and Syd. Um, I took a trip to Pluto before we started recording, so there may be some slips like that um, but you were in your season of fostering dogs. At that point, that was like pretty, those were like fun but chaotic times.
Lacey - That's the perfect way to describe it. Oh my God. It, I feel like what was happening for me at that time is I had broken out into like freelancing. And all of a sudden for the first time, I was like, oh, wait, I, I get to decide what I do with my days. Well, now I have space to paint and or work anytime of the day that works for me or night. And also, fostering dogs was like one of these things I always wanted to do, but when you have an office job that you go and commute to come on, it's like that's a recipe for disaster. So yeah, I started fostering these dogs from Mexico. And you were right there for it.
Jeff - Yeah. You would head to the airport, come with one dog, come back with a second. I don't remember. Okay. There was Pandora.
Lacey - Oh yeah, that was the first.
Jeff - Pandora first.
Lacey - Yeah, she was the first one.
Jeff - Were they all boxers like Syd too?
Lacey - They were all like a mix. Like they had a bit of boxer in them.
Jeff - Syd was like their, like shepherd into the new, into like their new life. It was, uh, yeah, she was hilarious.
Lacey - She, she was like big foster sister and it was just so funny cuz you were like, okay, what are we doing next?
Jeff - Totally. Oh my goodness. Yeah, those were early days of, I had just gotten my first significant kind of win as an entrepreneur after like years of just falling face first. Um, when we got some money to run the DISC program, and I think I had like maybe $60 K from that that year, but it felt like a million fucking dollars. You know? Um, but then that was, in those days is when you were starting to think about what would become Maker's Collective.
Lacey - That's absolutely right.
Jeff - I remember there was some like ebook/playbook for Creative Entrepreneurs that you were putting together in our like whiteboard, living room madness zone.
Lacey - Yeah. So I think like something that you and I always got along around was like, we loved to like, like just start visioning and dreaming and coming up with like cool ideas and solutions for things. So our living room was legit just like whiteboards. And we'd be like, oh, you know what would be so cool is if we built this or that. So yeah, we were always sharing like what we were working on and yeah, that was exactly, that was like the heart of where these things started to like come to life. And yeah, it was like, who knew that it would become what it is now.
Jeff - And it's so funny, I think that we're both, to your point, so similar in that way of like, the ideation, like the anything's possible, sort of loving that stuff. And then it was really bringing Laura into the equation who kind of tethers us to reality a bit and helps to like translate, uh, you know, things that might have potential into, you know, some actual steps and some progress in that. It's just neat how um, you and I are so similar, but there's a lot about my relationship with Laura and your relationship with Laura that are very similar because you and I, you know what I mean? Because you and I are so similar. Um, I don't know. I get a kick out of that sometimes.
Lacey - Oh, it's so funny.
Jeff - Yeah. I think we drive her fucking crazy sometimes..
Lacey - Yeah, I think we do. Yeah. I mean, she, nothing at all would ever get done without our rock, Laura.
Jeff - No.
Lacey - Yeah. Things really, really start happening when Laura came into our lives.
Jeff - Yes, yes.
Laura - Yeah. Yeah. So you started the, I was gonna say the podcast, but actually started as a blog. Right, that's how Maker's Co took not, I guess, didn't take off as a blog. And that's why the shift to the podcast happened.
Lacey - That’s Right. And we started so as friends, this is like a really cute, like the intertwining of it all is really sweet because you and I were pals or you're like roommates. We were sharing business stuff all the time and hanging out with the same people. And then you had met Laura, introduced, that's how I met Laura. And then we all started like doing our hangouts. And I just remember this like sort of natural ritual started happening where you would go to her house or you were at her house and then on like Fridays or something, you guys would invite me over to make pizza. And so we would like, we'd smoke a little joint, we'd make homemade pizza, Laura's recipe. So good. And then I remember naturally we were always talking about, like, I remember chatting with both you and Laura, but Laura and I would always get into these like the nitty gritty of like creative endeavors and how do you lift them off and how do you stay consistent and what do people need and all these things. And that's when I was always talking about like, oh, I was just talking to this person from the blog and they said this and we all really enjoyed like, cracking the, the code on these, these similar challenges and patterns that all of us were like bringing up. And then, yeah, eventually it just sort of like the blog wasn’t it and I knew my, I knew, speaking of how you and I are, it's like I know I've got, I had like a lot of plates in the air. I really, I really had like a hundred percent faith in this thing that it was gonna be a thing. But I knew I needed some accountability and like a partner in it and you had, you had the DISC program and everything else going on, and Laura had shared that she similarly was like seeking and yearning for like a creative outlet. So I remember it was in that apartment. I like literally asked her, I felt like I got down on one knee and flame, Laura. I'm thinking this thing needs to be a podcast, but I know I can't do it alone. Do you want to join me? And she was like, yes. And then from there, we just had to fucking jump into the deep end. But the funny thing is like you were literally there the whole time. You were talking to us about it. You were like our sounding board. There were literally moments where we were recording and then you would like sneak through the background in like the creaky old board.
Jeff - Yeah, I didn't get it at all.
Lacy - Like, excuse me. Pardon me? Girls want a drink? You want a snack? It was so cute.
Jeff - Totally. Yeah. Oh my goodness. Yeah, it was really cool watching both of you really come to life around that. It's also really neat to think back about some of those early interviews with people like Kelly and Michaela and you know, Roshan and some of these folks who have just gone on and done like such cool things, but we're just like barely getting started, you know? Five, six years ago, whenever that was. Um, but yeah, I do remember. There was a, you can always just tell when something is aligned for someone, there's an energy about it that is just like very easy to to see. And then how that progressed from interviews on the podcast into that initial partnership, I think it was with Shopify and doing the in person um, pieces. It's kind of neat for us now being circling back to that, like there's a bit of a full circle thing happening where I feel like obviously Covid changed that. But yeah, there's a little bit of, um, us going back to some of those roots. I mean, relaunching the podcast right now and getting back into the event pieces. So yeah. What an interesting kind of. It's, you know, journey and sort of path it's been, it's crazy to me is where you and I are doing this for the first time together and we've had these conversations like thousands of times before.
Lacey - Oh, 100%. Yeah.
Jeff - But it's interesting framing it like back when we first got all this started was, yes six years ago pretty much now.
Lacey - It's like, you know, in hindsight it's so clear when you’re onto the thing. Or, maybe, you know, the thing that you needed to put down for the next thing to come and like we were all each other's support system through those times. And it was like such a, a chaotic time indeed of like learning and growing and being able to like let go of the relationships or the friendships or or the business endeavors that like weren't cutting it, but it takes time to be able to do that. And I do remember a time, so Laura and I were at it for a while, and that's like you said, we started to partner up with like shop the Shopifys of the world and starting to get into the in-person space. But I remember both Laura and I were like very passionate about it, but didn't know what to do with it next. It was like, oh, well should we do events or should we start doing like sponsorships or should we start, I don't fucking know. I'm already so busy. Like, how could we fit one more thing on our plate? And I remember we sat down with you in Brock's backyard. It was, that's Laura's brother. Um, and we were like, ha, just hanging out at their house. And I remember we had this like honest conversation with you about like how, how much we were like banging our heads against like the wall, trying to figure out how to like make this thing be a thing. And you were like, okay, let's do this. And that's when we did our first like strategic planning ever.
Jeff - Right. Oh my God.
Lacey - Do you remember?
Jeff - I had totally forgotten until now. Yeah.
Lacey - You literally were like, okay, well there's this thing I've been learning about called like the Horizons and this and that.
Jeff - Yes.
Lacey - Here's some things I’ve tried and here's some things you've done. Here's some things you've done. Like, let's put our brains together and, and like, let's just start testing it. But that was, I think like that was when we, we all got on the same page around like, let's give this thing a real go. And I feel like that's when things really like shifted and started growing and expanding.
Jeff - Yeah, I'd forgotten about that conversation, but I do remember the, the meeting where we went through some of those frameworks and things kind of started to click again. I think it was just there was an energy around what was happening, where it was just, we have to find a way to kind of harness this to, to make it work and yeah, getting some systems in place and thinking about, um, You know, things that you've and Laura had heard from people, like all the questions that were being asked at these like live sessions. And then the plan was, let's just take the podcast on the road.
Lacey - Oh yeah.
Jeff - And lean into like that as being a way for us to get in front of new people and maybe sell some training and live training um, pieces as we went kind of on a little tour.
Lacey - That's correct. Wow.
Jeff - Um, I think that was, yeah, January, 2020. That was the game plan. And then in March that had to change totally.
Lacey - Drastically. Yeah. Cuz we started to do these, like where we were partnering up with corporations and organizations to do live podcasting.
Jeff - Yeah.
Lacey - From their place. Um, we went to like Faire and did one with them, right? Like small business center and you know, we were just like, okay, let's make it happen. And like Shopify, all these, these organizations, we were like, this is cool and everyone seems interested, but like, alright, let's take it on the road. Let's see where we can go with it. And then, the world shut down. And then we had to rethink our strategy. But my God, like we really came together through the like challenges to just keep it going, man. It was wild. And, all of us, like manage other things, other parts of our portfolio of work. Yeah. So yeah, it was like, it's still, I feel like we're still on the ride of it, but I do feel like we're starting to, like you say, circle back to those OG plans. In a new way, like in a new. Imagined way, but Yep. It feels good. Feels good.
Jeff - It definitely does. And the idea of traveling and weaving that in with work is more aligned for, you know, all of us now, even more than it was then.
Lacey - A hundred percent.
Jeff - Through a lot of the work we've done. I think we've referenced Sherry, the coach that we work with a couple of times, that's really become a center point for us is you know, why are you building these portfolios, why are you approaching businesses in these ways and let's try to live the life that you're looking for as quickly as possible. So there's just some cool alignment there. Um, you know, looking at the fall, maybe getting up to Ottawa, maybe getting to Calgary, um, to continue kind of that process is something I'm super excited about for sure. Yeah.
Lacey - Yeah, me too. Yeah, it's really cool. It's cool to see like how things are starting to open back up and become possible again. And we just like, we have more experience and…
Jeff - Yes.
Lacey - …perspective too.
Jeff - Totally. Yeah. If I think back on, um, you know, when we were at, like, at that shitty house, I forget where, what our address was, but when you and I were living together, you know, I think about like the goals and the things that I wanted then versus now if I'm like looking forwards and like the goals and the things that I'm looking for, it's interesting how much like some things have been reinforced, like an appetite to travel and weave that with work, but most things have changed so much. I don't know how that is for you, but I think.
A crazy thing, I think is how much, like almost less ambitious I am now. Not to say that I'm not, like, don't get me wrong, there's a life I wanna live and like I'm getting after it trying to make it happen.
Lacey - Absolutely.
Jeff - But I used to think that like I needed to do like world changing shit and make inconceivable amounts of money. Um, and I don't even know I should unpack where the hell that comes from, but like, just a weird, I feel like totally unrealistic perception of I'm trying to like build all of this crazy wealth and like, no, well that's not aligned for, I've just come to re like, and I guess it's just time shows you that that things can be much smaller and you can have an impact by teaching a few hundred people a year and making a pretty good living and being surrounded by people you love and just you know, seeing wealth as like a smaller scale of just, I would like to control the choices I have throughout a day.
Lacey - Oof. That you're hitting on something so big. I think for a lot of people and like myself too, I remember, yeah, like way back when, when we were in that space. I feel like we both had different, um, I think back to our bus, our individual businesses and how we've either completely left them in the past. I think we have. And or like just gone through a lot of changes with like that work that we were doing that's evolved, but then what we want has evolved. It makes me think of, I saw this like quote the other day. It went something along the lines of like, the more healed I become, the less ambitious I am.
Jeff - Oh, I love that.
Lacey - And it, it really is not about like, not having ambition. It's like, I'm good. Like when I unlearn what I was conditioned to want from society and productivity and culture and capitalism. When I heal that I realize that like everything, I have everything I need and want, and so how do I just like continue working on more of that, like integrating more of that in my life. And I definitely feel that too. I felt like in the past I didn't know it was possible in this realm of work. Mm-hmm. So I thought I needed to be extremely wealthy in order to live like this.
Jeff - Yes.
Lacey - In order to be afforded the choice to live like this.
Jeff - Yes.
Lacey - When in actuality it's like, oh no, like there are so many different ways that you can choose to live and set your, you know, your little piece of paradise and your world up to meet your needs and beyond.
Jeff - For sure.
Lacey - Yeah. And I, you know, we talk a lot about that in our programming now of like, what are your currencies? Like, what is important to you and how can you not wait to have it. I found like growing up, I don't know about you, but I was just surrounded by and being, this message was being modeled to us everywhere of like, I'm, I have to wait until X, Y, Z happens until I can actually live the way I want work until I can give myself the vacation or until I can leave the whatever it is. Right?
Jeff - Yes.
Lacey - And it was always the sentiment of like waiting to do it. Until the conditions were just right or until you've made just enough money. And it's like, holy shit, people work their whole lives to get to it in retirement. Quote unquote retirement. And then like, you know, a lot of people end up getting seriously sick or dying as soon as they stop.
Jeff - Yeah. It's crazy.
Lacey - And that's not the, that's not trying to generalize there, but there's enough cases to show you.
Jeff - Yeah.
Lacey - Like, holy shit, that's not it.
Jeff - Well, just an extreme example of the like life's too short to delay all the gratification or all of the things that you want.
Lacey - Yeah.
Jeff - Like don't wait to live the life that you hope you can live until sometime in the future.
That like you're not promised to get to. Which is…
Lacey - Oh my gosh. Totally.
Jeff - …it's really, I mean, we don't need to go too deep into that, but just like retirement as an idea is like a 1950s thing. Like retirement didn't exist before. You know, like it's a true, it's, it's a staple of how we have been taught to perceive like, the stages of our lives. It's like you go to school and then you work and then you retire. Um, but in the grand scheme of things, it's a pretty like new concept. And I think as we're seeing just doesn't necessarily align, um, where work doesn't have to be a, you're just living your life, you know? Yeah. And wanting to, like we've talked about, take us, you know, maybe build the life where a sabbatical is possible every five years, rather than waiting until the end to do things like that.
Lacey - That's right. Like the sprinkled retirement…
Jeff - Yes.
Lacey - …sort of mindset. And it's like, you know, I think we're in this age of redefining what all this is for ourselves and I think it's like striking the balance, right? Because it's like, yeah, we're not gonna wait in order to give ourselves these experiences and the things that we want from our life, but we still need to like provide for ourselves. And so that's where the interesting part comes together of like, okay, what do we want out of our businesses, our work? And we had a really good chat the other day about that. Like, you know, when we were younger, we wanted like, I want the million dollar plus business and I wanna have an empire and like spots popped up all over the country. Like I used to have a ludicrous idea of what success was supposed to be. And now I'm just like, I laugh when I consider it. I'm like, no, cuz that actually wouldn't be the lifestyle I'd want.
Jeff - Yeah.
Lacey - And I remember uh, talking to Kelly from Pretty by her about this earlier on when she was starting to experience this steep growth. Um, and she was like, look, I just wanna, I love having a million dollar plus business. I don't want a $10 million plus business cuz then I'm not living my life.
Jeff - Yes.
Lacey - Then I'm glued to it.
Jeff - Yeah.
Lacey - And I always thought that was really interesting cuz I was like, huh, huh, that's a very good point. Like more success doesn't actually always mean more time freedom.
Jeff - For sure. Yeah. I think, and again, as you mentioned earlier, one of the things we focus on in a lot of our programming is just every individual has different currencies that matter to them in different ways. And so understanding that is the centrepiece to then making the decisions about the, you know, portfolio of work that you're starting to develop. And to your point, having to be really intentional around, you know, we all have to hold space to do the activities that let us provide for ourselves. Um, but wanting to be really intentional that we're creating other opportunities for ourselves to find freedom or meaningful relationships and things like that in a more kind of systematic approach. Um, where I think that's where there's some magic, because most folks are still like that singular workplace pursuit is still kind of the predominant approach. But yeah, getting a bit systematic about how you can design a life and build a business and still maybe have a part-time or full-time job going is such a cool place to be playing in for us right now, I think it's one of the things as. You know, absolutely. We look ahead to the summer and the rest of this year that, um, just getting to connect with and support other people working through the ups and downs and challenges of like, trying to figure all of that out is, uh, super exciting.
Lacey - Yeah. Oh my God. So it's so exciting. It's cool to reflect too on like how our own mindsets have shifted around what we want it to be like, what we want our lives to be and our work to look like. It's like, at the time I never imagined I could change. Like I, I would change my mind about that.
Jeff - Totally. Yeah. Yeah. And giving yourself permission to have moving targets.
Lacey - Yeah. Changing your mind.
Jeff - And often it starts being totally unrealistic. And that's often rooted just in a lack of self-awareness and not really understanding, you know, yourself or like, I think that's the same with me when I look back at like these visions of grandeur that I had. They weren't really rooted in anything other than crazy expectations that were not healthy to have at all. And definitely set you up to feel like you're inadequate.
Lacey - And just like, I feel like a lot of it was just like trying to prove yourself. But proving yourself to other people. Rather than doing it for yourself. And Yes. I think like, you know, I would invite everyone to like have a critical eye when you're consuming content and other people's success stories too. Cuz like, especially in the industry I'm in, it's like every other coach out there is like 10 K months and here's how I got my 75K launch to uh, with zero ad spend and like hashtag grind it out, like rise and grind and like…
Jeff - Blow my brains out.
Lacey - I just like, it makes me ill.
Jeff - Get up. Gratitude journal, 10 x yourself.
Lacey - 10 x, yeah.
Jeff - After breakfast. Meditate. That's another 10 x. Now I'm 20 x by lunch. Where are you? How many Xes do you have?
Lacey - Yeah, like 5:00 AM morning routine and I'm just like, I'm like, I get it. I know different things work for different people, but like this all sounds like a crock of shit. Like…
Jeff - Totally. Oh my God.
Lacey - It just feels so performative and I'm like, I've actually made a point to not really discuss like my wins in terms of money to my audience because I know that like we're operating in a new, a different space where like a lot of what they want isn't connected necessarily to like a number. But when they see a number, they're like deterred from working with me cause they think I want them to have the same results as me.
Jeff - Sure. Yeah.
Lacey - And it's just like this big mind fuck. So, yeah, and I'm just like, well, what do you want? Like you said, like, who, what does that mean for you in your life? You know? For some of the people we've worked with, it's like, oh, well I wanna like move out of mom's basement, or I want to make my first sale, or I wanna, you know, pay off my car, whatever it is, like pay for groceries. It's the, the, like, the answer is, is endless that people have for themselves. But yeah, I just like try to lead with that a lot of the time these days cuz yeah, it's gross out there guys. I'm not gonna lie.
Jeff - For sure. Yeah. I think in the side hustle space, it's so frustrating. All of the, make six figures as an affiliate marketer and 10 hours a month kind of thing, and it's just like, oh my goodness. Yeah. It's just,
Lacey - And, and also like, I think like this pivotal like, uh, six figure year thing, take your pick. Right. Of like what the golden standard might be for you to be successful or to make it, yeah. And it's like once you hit it and once you've had that experience, you're like, oh, this doesn't mean what you think it does.
Jeff - Yes.
Lacey - Right?
Jeff - Yes.
Lacey - Like, you know, we make six figures and we're like, okay. And like then you gotta pay the taxes and you gotta pay that person that edited and that person and that person and that person.
Jeff - Yep.
Lacey - By the end you're like, okay, hang on, but what else did I get from this experience? And that's where like, what really matters to you, comes in and is so important too.
Jeff - Yes. Oh my goodness. I love that so much.
Lacey - Right? Yeah.
Jeff - Yeah. My goodness.
Lacey - And it's like, yeah, we're all human. We fucking want that. We want to be afforded like freedom.
Jeff - Yes.
Lacey - And a lot of freedoms are afforded by being able to afford certain things. Sure.
Jeff - Yep, yep.
Lacey - But goodness, that is not it. It's the not the only thing.
Jeff - For sure. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, I'm excited to dive into like some of the live sessions that we've got just every time we get to talk to folks live about this stuff, I find it to be so, um, yeah, interesting. And really just kind of resonate that there are pretty, you know, widely diverse folks who are just looking to like, pursue life a little bit differently, work a bit differently, prioritize things other than money.
Lacey - That's right.
Jeff - Um, it's refreshing. I think it's one of the things like obviously when we teach online and we engage online, you get to see that with the engagement, but it just really hits home when we're out at, you know, events or whatever it is in person. Like, I can't wait for that this fall.
Lacey - It's, it's just such a good reminder of why we're doing what we're doing. Yeah. And you're reminded because. You know, the further we get away from our, our starting days mm-hmm. Like, I, I love that we're reflecting cuz it's like when you're in those days, the, the pressure is on. Like your goal is very clear to yourself and sometimes the answers or the solutions don't feel clear. And you know, you can feel like you're up against a very big mountain that you have to climb. And connecting with people that have done it is so important, and that's why we're all about that. But it's like, I remember being in that mindset and thinking like, will I ever make it to a $10 K month or get the next thing or pay the rent or whatever it was at the time. And like all the things, I would love to go back and tell, like that version of myself now is. Is just like wild.
Jeff - Totally.
Lacey - The, like the growth there.
Jeff - Yeah.
Lacey - Um, but you, you can't know what you don't know. Right. You just have to kind of learn and grow through that. And so I hope to be like a reminder for people, um, who are in those stages.
Jeff - For sure. Yeah. And to your point, when you hit some of those financial targets that you think mean, everything you recognize like that's never, I think it's called hedonistic adaptation. It's like enough's never enough. So it's about the other stuff around it that, cause if that's the only thing that you're focusing on, that's, it's like a mirage that you're, you know, it's grabbing it sand kind of thing.
Lacey - You'll be chasing it forever.
Jeff - Yeah.
Lacey - Yeah. And even like last night on, um, the mindset session that we run inside the side hustle course last night I'm hearing about, I'm asking everyone about their current goals and what they'd like really love to accomplish. And one guy was like, I'm just like wondering what it was like for you when you like went from doing basically pro bono work to getting your first paid client. And you know, it like I had to take a breather cause I was like, oh yeah, that's right. This is like, this is where we're at right now. And so I, you know, we handle those questions with such care. Cause I, we remember what it was like to like, Wonder if I'm ever gonna get that person to pay for what I'm gosh, here to get. And just I, you know, in my response I was like, okay, here's some, here's three tips for you. I'm going through these tips and I'm just like, I'm thinking about why I have this knowledge and what it took to get it, to be able to share it. It took probably 70 fucking mistakes.
Jeff - Right? Yeah.
Lacey - Over the course of like years.
Jeff - Yes.
Lacey - For me to be able to give him that answer in a way that's succinct and makes sense and gives like actionable insights. When I went through that and didn't have like people around me to talk to about it, I fucking failed so much.
Jeff - Yes.
Lacey - I failed on my face every step of the way. Figuring it out.
Jeff - Yep.
Lacey - And yeah, it was just like a moment of, uh, like gratitude of being like, yeah, you fucking figured it out though.
Jeff - Yes.
Lacey - You, you figured some stuff out. Maybe you didn't hit the hashtag $10 k months or whatever it, it was.
Jeff - Sure.
Lacey - But you've learned so much.
Jeff - Yes.
Lacey - That's helped you immensely in your life since, and other people too. So…
Jeff - And when you realize, like just the math you did there of the learning that you had to do to distill down like a really crystallized answer for someone. When I hear you say things like that, I'm like, we need to fucking charge way more. You know what I'm saying?
Lacey - I know.
Jeff - I don't, I think you take it for granted sometimes.
Lacey - We do.
Jeff - Yeah. You know cause that's not even an exaggeration.
Lacey - Like it's, no, it's, it's literally, I'm not exaggerating those numbers whatsoever. And I told them that. I was like, yeah. Now I'm able to sit here and tell you this now. Um, but it took me years to figure that these out. Like this one thing that you've just asked me, it took me years. And here's a couple examples of where I failed. Uh, the first time I tried to launch, launch a course and didn't talk to one person to get feedback built, the whole fucking thing launched it got crickets. Yep. Learned a lot from that one. And just like endless examples like that. But it's like heartbreaking. And hard to get back up when you learn those things, but yeah, that's what we're here for. To like keep it fucking real.
Jeff - Yes. Oh my goodness. Just as we wrap up, throwing it back to where we started the conversation when you and I were roommates. I remember a major bonding moment for us was we just hung out for like a weekend, I think, and just binge watched Broad City. Do you remember that? Yeah. I don't even know if the whole series had come out yet, but whatever was available for it at that point, I think we just sat crazy in that living room and watched like 15 hours of Broad City Man. And I’m reminded of that because Laura and I had a super lazy day on the weekend and we watched probably 18 episodes of Broad City in two days and I was like, ah, this is taking me back to like Lacey origin stories.
Lacey - The OG yes. Shout out Broad City, like my kind of humor just. Silly. Silly, goofy girl times.
Jeff - Something, light while laying on the couch all day.
Lacey - And just like, you know, the weed humor is, top notch.
Jeff - Top notch. Yes. Chef’s kiss.
Lacey - So you know, on that note, we should probably go roll one and yeah, smoke it up and cheers.
Jeff - I got a bottle of red wine for us. Great. Let's do it. You're the best. Love you.
Lacey - Amazing. Thanks for listening everyone. If you have any questions about all the things we've discussed, you just hit us up.
Jeff - Yeah, be well everyone.
Lacey - See you next time.
Jeff - Bye.
Lacey - Bye.
